I give up

People will not believe that god does not kill I am beginning to wonder how much difference can we make, the old testament has basically destroyed Gods true character I just don’t think people are ready for this truth, But I do believe that the 144 thousand will have this message to give.

here is a post i made on a forum and the reply i got
Abraham and Child Sacrifice
It is interesting that you believe that God desired one of His chosen people, to perform a human
sacrifice, which He ordered to be offered on a high place, as a burnt offering.
What did the pagan sun-worshippers do? Because the pagans required a good view of the sun rise,
they went up into the highest mountain peaks, where they had built altars in honour of the sun god.
Extremely dedicated to their god, the pagans got up very early in the morning, so as to arrive at the
mountain top in time to organise the human sacrifice of their son/daughter at precisely the same
time as the sun rose. They performed the actual sacrifice by slashing the throats of their children
and then burnt them with fire so as to be a suitable offering to the sun (fire) god.
Did the Creator appreciate these pagan sacrificial ceremonies?
2King.17.16
And they left all the commandments of the LORD their God, and made them molten images, even
two calves, and made a grove, and worshipped all the host of heaven, and served Baal.
2King.17.17
And they caused their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire, and used divination and
enchantments, and sold themselves to do evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger.
Seems that God didn't condone human sacrifice.
Jer.7.30
For the children of Judah have done evil in my sight, saith the LORD: they have set their
abominations in the house which is called by my name, to pollute it.
Jer.7.31
And they have built the high places of Tophet, which is in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to burn
their sons and their daughters in the fire; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my
heart.
Jer.32.35
And they built the high places of Baal, which are in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to cause their
sons and their daughters to pass through the fire unto Molech; which I commanded them not,
neither came it into my mind, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin.
It is interesting that God says TWICE that such a thought, to burn their sons in the fire on the high
places, never came into His heart, nor into His mind. Surely He must not have forgotten that
centuries before, He commanded Abraham to climb up on top of Mt Moriah and sacrifice his son
Isaac? - or was it Ishmael? - as a burnt offering.
In the Translations of the Qur'an (Koran), Chapter 37 published by the University of Southern
California, the child that Allah commanded to be sacrificed in the typical pagan fashion (high on a
hill top, as a burnt offering, killed with a knife to the neck), was not named, but later came to be
accepted as Ishmael in the Muslim traditional view.
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/037.qmt.html#037.099
Isn't it interesting that the One True God and Allah both agree that slitting your son's throat as a
human sacrifice, on a high place offered as a burnt offering - early in the morning - is an honourable
thing to do?
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Perhaps God was only upset that the Israelites were offering their children as human sacrifices to
other pagan gods and not to Him? That hypothesis really doesn't sit right either.
What about Jesus? How does Jesus fit into this practice of going up onto a high mountain in the
early morning to greet the sun, and cutting our children's throats and sacrificing them as burnt
offerings on the high mountains?
Matt.18.6
But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a
millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
Seems to me that Jesus thinks it's pretty offensive to hurt a little child.

this is the reply i got

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Wow, where to even begin. Have you ever read the Bible?? For starters the sun never played any part of any Hebrew custom of sacrifice. Second It wasn't morning when Abraham offered up Isaac. Third it was a test of faith. The ancient Hebrews always worshipped on high mountain peaks, be it night or day. So the sun theory is really a moot point. And if you are going to post scripture please post all of it.

And than have the nerve to say "Seems that God didn't condone human sacrifice." Why didn't you post the very next verse? Is that because you don't know it, or some other nefarious means. Lets look st the very next verse you failed to post.

2 Kings 17:18 Therefore the LORD was very angry with Israel, and removed them out of his sight: there was none left but the tribe of Judah only.

It really seems that God did not like it at all did he.

Yet in the preceding verse that you skipped.
30 For the children of Judah have done evil in my sight, saith the LORD: they have set their abominations in the house which is called by my name, to pollute it.
God never said any such thing. Maybe if you read the Bible you would learn that. What you have done is an outright fraudulent lie. It seems that the truth movement isn't the truth movement if you have to lie about it.

here is my reply
Good to see that you skim read peoples posts and you have the nerve to call me a liar!!
If you had actually understand what my point was in the first place you would have just kept your mouth quiet,
I did not say that the Israelites sacrificed in the morn!! I said what did the pagan sun-worshippers do? Sacrifice is how humans have worshiped Satan through out time, look at all the pagan gods thru history.
To me God seams to have a split personality when it comes to the New Testament one instance god is with people to war and in the New Testament he is love thy neighbor as thy self.
Come on if God was so powerful he could have driven out the inhabitants of the land with out the sword and live up to the 10 commandments he had passed down to the Israelite's. But man thinks he knows better than God, and thinks this is the only way to solve situations, and by doing so rejects God. Look at today people believe more in war as a solution than peace.
How many other people have u miss quoted in past posts to get your insinuations across in future please read peoples post a few times. and not be so quick to judge!! only Jesus has that right.

and here is the last reply

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Well, I read your whole post, carefully, DrewG, and it seems to me that you missed the common thread that runs non-stop through BOTH TESTAMENTS. Your post is nothing but dissimulation and obfuscation to direct attention away from the theme and prophecies of the Bible.

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"...and not be so quick to judge!! only Jesus has that right."

As dok pointed out, you are rather selective in your choice of verses to "prove" your point... which in effect "proves" a lie.

"To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them." We are to judge by the Word of God.

''Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment" (John 7:24). Here our Lord commands that we are to "judge righteous judgment, " which is judgment based upon the Word of God. If judgment is made upon any other basis, other than the Word of God, it is a violation of Matt. 7:1. Webster's Dictionary says that a judge is "one who declares the law." The faithful Christian must discern or judge on the basis of God's inspired law, the Bible.

A fornicator is described in I Cor. 5 :1-13. Paul "judged" (v.3) the man even though he was absent, and he told the Church at Corinth that they were to "judge" (v.12) those that were within. The Greek word for "judge" is the same here as in Matt. 7:1. Paul did not violate "judge not, that ye be not judged," in judging the man, nor in instructing the Church to judge also. All of this judgment was according to the Word of God.

A person who is able to discern between good and evil, has at least one of the major marks of spiritual maturity. "But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil " (Heb. 5:14). W.E. Vine says of the meaning of discern, "a distinguishing, a clear discrimination, discerning, judging; is translated 'discerning' in I Cor. 12:10 of discerning spirits, judging by evidence whether they are evil or of God." Strong also agrees that it means to judge.

Those who are unwilling or incapable of discerning or judging between good and evil are in this manner revealing either their disobedience or their immaturity.

False teachers are free to spread their poisonous doctrines today because there is a conspiracy of silence among many Bible believers. Wolves in sheep's clothing are thus enabled to ravage the flock, thereby destroying many. Thank God that dok is doing his part to point out the wolves.

John the Baptist called the Pharisees and Sadducees (the religious leaders of his day) "a generation of vipers" (snakes) (Matt. 3:7). Today, he would be accused of being unloving, unkind, and unchristian.

Jesus said to the religious Pharisees, "O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things ? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh" (Matt. 12:34). To many evangelicals and some fundamentalists, this would be unacceptable language today, but it is biblical language and it came from the mouth of the Son of God.

Standing face to face with these false teachers, Jesus Christ the Son of God, called them "hypocrites," "blind guides," "blind," "whited sepulchres," "serpents," and "ye generation of vipers" (Matt. 23:23-34). Yet, we are told today that we are to fellowship with men whose doctrines are just as unscriptural as those of the Pharisees. Some who say they are Bible believing Christians insist on working with Roman Catholics and other assorted heretics. Yet, according to many, we are not supposed to rebuke them for their compromise.

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To me God seams to have a split personality when it comes to the New Testament one instance god is with people to war and in the New Testament he is love thy neighbor as thy self.

It seems to me that you know neither God nor His Word. Have you even read the Revelation, which unveils Christ in the entire Old Testament with hundreds of references to Old Testament passages?

This is an odd title for the point I'm trying to make, but nevertheless it IS the title of that particular broadcast segment.

What Does the Star of David Really Mean{/quote]

and this reply right after that
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Remember, just because Jesus' message was one of love and peace, that does not mean that God is without jealousy or anger.

He has and will punish those people who continue to mock his word and disobey him. He is not without limits to his patience.

I mean, how would you feel, having created an entire universe, only to have your best creation in the universe, [man kind] turn on you and start worshiping your arch-nemesis, who tried to kill you for no reason other than he wanted more power?

I'd be ________.

I just shake my head

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