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« : December 29, 2008, 07:16:41 AM »

G'day all yes mars is melting and so is Jupiter heating up and as I said I didn’t park my ford on Mars  Here is a link to start you of in search of more truth and its a National Geographic report.


The link to the U.S. Senate report has Mysteriously vanished. however you can read it below and or type in google: jupiter melting go to the senate report before they realise and remove it any way here tis.

Warming On Jupiter, Mars, Pluto, Neptune's Moon & Earth Linked to Increased Solar Activity, Scientists Say
March 12, 2007

Posted by Marc Morano - Marc_Morano@epw.senate.gov - 10:51 am ET
Warming On Jupiter, Mars, Pluto, Neptune's Moon & Earth Linked to Increased Solar Activity, Scientists Say

Bright sun, warm Earth. Coincidence?
By Lorne Gunter
National Post

Link to Article

Monday, March 12, 2007

Mars's ice caps are melting, and Jupiter is developing a second giant red spot, an enormous hurricane-like storm.

The existing Great Red Spot is 300 years old and twice the size of Earth. The new storm -- Red Spot Jr. -- is thought to be the result of a sudden warming on our solar system's largest planet. Dr. Imke de Pater of Berkeley University says some parts of Jupiter are now as much as six degrees Celsius warmer than just a few years ago.

Neptune's moon, Triton, studied in 1989 after the unmanned Voyageur probe flew past, seems to have heated up significantly since then. Parts of its frozen nitrogen surface have begun melting and turning to gas, making Triton's atmosphere denser.

Even Pluto has warmed slightly in recent years, if you can call -230C instead of -233C "warmer."

And I swear, I haven't left my SUV idling on any of those planets or moons. Honest, I haven't.

Is there something all these heavenly bodies have in common? Some one thing they all share that could be causing them to warm in unison?

Hmmm, is there some giant, self-luminous ball of burning gas with a mass more than 300,000 times that of Earth and a core temperature of more than 20-million degrees Celsius, that for the past century or more has been unusually active and powerful? Is there something like that around which they all revolve that could be causing this multi-globe warming? Naw!

They must all have congested commuter highways, coal-fired power plants and oilsands developments that are releasing large amounts of carbon dioxide into their atmospheres, too.

A decade ago, when global warming and Kyoto was just beginning to capture public attention, I published a quiz elsewhere that bears repeating in our current hyper-charged environmental debate: Quick, which is usually warmer, day or night?

And what is typically the warmest part of the day? The warmest time of year?

Finally, which are generally warmer: cloudy or cloudless days?

If you answered day, afternoon, summer and cloudless you may be well on your way to understanding what is causing global warming.

For the past century and a half, Earth has been warming. Coincidentally (or perhaps not so coincidentally), during that same period, our sun has been brightening, becoming more active, sending out more radiation.

Habibullah Abdussamatov of the Pulkovo Astronomical Observatory in St. Petersburg, Sami Solanki of the Max Planck Institute for Solar System Research in Germany, Sallie Baliunas and Willie Soon of the Solar and Stellar Physics Division of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics and a host of the rest of the world's leading solar scientists are all convinced that the warming of recent years is not unusual and that nearly all the warming in the past 150 years can be attributed to the sun.

Solar scientists from Iowa to Siberia have overlaid the last several warm periods on our planet with known variations in our sun's activity and found, according to Mr. Solanki, "a near-perfect match."

Mr. Abdussamatov concedes manmade gasses may have made "a small contribution to the warming in recent years, but it cannot compete with the increase in solar irradiance."

Mr. Soon showed as long ago as the mid-1990s that the depth of the Little Ice Age -- the coldest period in the northern hemisphere in the past 1,500 years -- corresponded perfectly with a solar event known as the Maunder Minimum. For nearly seven decades there was virtually no sunspot activity.

Our sun was particular quiet. And for those 60 to 70 years, the northern half of our globe, at least, was in a deep freeze.

Is it so hard to believe then that the sun could be causing our current warming, too?

At the very least, the fact that so many prominent scientists have legitimate, logical objections to the current global warming orthodoxy means there is no "consensus" among scientists about the cause.

Here's a prediction: The sun's current active phase is expected to wane in 20 to 40 years, at which time the planet will begin cooling. Since that is when most of the greenhouse emission reductions proposed by the UN and others are slated to come into full effect, the "greens" will see that cooling and claim, "See, we warned you and made you take action, and look, we saved the planet."

Of course, they will have had nothing to do with it.

© National Post 2007
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« #1 : December 30, 2008, 06:55:54 PM »

Hi TruthSeeker
That report you posted is amazing.  I think there is something that must have occurred when the Voyager went passed Jupiter and it suddenly got 'hot.'

I watched a video that I think Andrew posted a link for in the old forum, which seemed to reveal that the space explorers had equipped their craft to be able to remotely launch a nuclear explosions into Saturn and filmed it.  Seems that a bunch of weird things are happening to the planets now.  So we mightn't be driving our cars around on Jupiter or Saturn, but there are definitely other ways to destroy the planet and I think that nuclear explosions must put out quite a bit of pollution. 

What do you think?  Is it a natural process that the sun has caused, or is this earth warming created intentionally by nuclear activity in space? 


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« #2 : January 29, 2009, 05:34:53 PM »

Hmmm can u smell it, it smells like something a cow left behind in the paddock
Sorry it’s just the National socialists  >:(

EU Seeks to Link Carbon Market with U.S.

January 28, 2009

The EU may seek to create a joint carbon market with the US if that country creates a cap-and-trade system, according to a draft EU strategy paper set for official release Wednesday.

In addition to linking the EU Emissions Trading Scheme with a potential future US carbon trading system, the EU would also set up "bilateral processes" with other national or regional cap-and-trade programs with a focus on tie-ups with Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development nations, the draft strategy paper said.

"The EU has gained first mover experience in setting up the EU ETS as the world’s largest cap-and-trade system. There is a rapidly growing interest and adoption of legislation on this in a number of OECD countries. Complementary to the work on the Copenhagen agreement, the EU should seek to build, by 2015, a robust OECD-wide carbon market through the linking of comparable cap-and-trade systems," the draft strategy paper said.

"This market is to be further expanded to all major emitting countries by 2020. The EU should actively share experience and seek coordination on crucial system design issues."

A d v e r t i s e m e n t
The draft document — which represents a picture of the European Commission’s negotiating goals going into UN-led climate talks taking place in Copenhagen in December — also proposes that the EU push for a Eur175 billion (US$230 billion) increase in developed nation funding of any global warming mitigation goals agreed at the UN talks.

The plan would include an additional Eur30 billion to help developing nations adapt to the effects of climate change, the draft document said.

Financing for the increase in funding would come from a "polluter pays" tax on developed nations for every metric ton of CO2 that they emit with the price of CO2 starting at Eur1/mt and gradually rising to Eur3/mt in an effort to generate Eur13 billion by 2013 and Eur28 billion by 2020 if all the major developed nations agree, according to the draft document.

The European Commission also said in the draft document that the UN’s Clean Development Mechanism "should be reformed" at the Copenhagen talks so that it only encourages the development of carbon offset generating projects that "go beyond low-cost or win-win options" to create demonstrable greenhouse gas emission reductions.

In December 2008, EU leaders approved an ambitious climate-change action plan that the 27-member state bloc hopes will become a model for international negotiations in Copenhagen.

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